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Old 06-12-2008, 01:59 AM View Post #11 (Link)
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The parents at that house supply the liquor.
Wild sex parties are there all the time. Nothing is ever said about it.

At least nothing from the authorities. The kids at the high school know all about it.

Especially the band kids. That's how I know so much.
The guy that belongs to that house is in band.
 
Old 06-12-2008, 02:01 AM View Post #12 (Link)
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The Canada argument about the crime rate is irrelevant in comparison to the U.S. There is a huge different in population and population density, all of which contribute to crime. Not to mention the social conditions that created both countries are drastically different.
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Old 06-12-2008, 02:06 AM View Post #13 (Link)
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That's my point - the U.S. is very different from Canada. I'm refuting the arguments of people who believe Canada serves as a wonderful Control Group Country.

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Old 06-12-2008, 02:20 AM View Post #14 (Link)
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Since the laws are so poorly enforced anyway, I don't think drinking age really matters that much. While it is in my personal opinion that it should be brought down to 18, the federal government will abuse its power and cut funds for the interstate of any state that changes the drinking age from 21.

I think 21 is largely an arbitrary age, since the government in most other regards considers adulthood to be age 18--at 18 you're allowed to vote, serve in the military, and buy pornography. Also by this time, since high school ends, many begin careers or start families, even though because of the shift from capitalism to consumerism and the shift to dual-income households, many people of both sexes are going to college and therefore starting families later.

As someone who likes to eat good Italian food, it's difficult for me to obtain the white wine necessary to cook Shrimp Scampi--a quick and relatively easy to make meal, if a little pricey for my budget. I can either get one of my friends to get it illegally, so I can risk getting in trouble for something that is illegal for me to possess, even though I don't plan to use illegally. What am I expected to use? Chicken broth?

Binge drinking in college is a serious problem that needs to be addressed, but lowering the age doesn't really do anything, because alcohol is easy to get if you have fake IDs or older friends. I have friends who binge drink and most of them started doing that in high school or when they were underage. I don't drink--or at least not much or often--but I don't think the drinking age of 21 really solves the problem. All it does is prevent me from buying white wine to cook with...
 
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I think the main problem here is: forget what the drinking age is, how are they going to enforce it anyway? Police have so many other issues to deal with, underage drinking just gets shunted to the back of their minds unless it results in rape/murder/car accidents, etc. I feel like I should be offering a constructive solution for this problem, but I can't think of anything. Thoughts anyone?

Alright, that being said, being able to die for your country but not being able to drink legally is utterly ridiculous. One of the benefits of being in an internationally-renowned (xP) magnet program means that a large proportion of my friends aren't Americans and/or spend summers in a different country, and their perspectives are really interesting. One of the solutions I like is having the drinking age lower than the driving age, so that by the time a teen gets behind the wheel, drinking isn't that big of a deal. (I think they do this in Spain.)

Also, what do you guys think: do teens drink illegally to rebel against the drinking age or just because they don't care?

(And for the record, alcohol smells funny. xP)
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Enforcing laws means doing the following: when people are caught drinking, which is generally when that drinking is causing problems, punish the living hell out of them. You want to go on summer vacation? Tough, you now have a required 40 hours of community service every week for the next six months. You want to visit your best friend in Utah? Tough, you no longer have flight privileges and you can't leave the state. You also can't drink until you are 25, you can't have a driver's license, and if you're caught you go to jail and you WORK while you are in jail to earn your keep.
It sounds harsh, but if your illegal drinking led you to go drive while drunk you're clearly not mature enough to have the same rights as other people. Drunk driving is dangerous for a bloody reason: it takes lives. Those punishments above are nothing compared to the loss of a life from the actions of a stupid person.
If our law were to reflect that those that abuse alcohol can't get away with it and those that stay at home and don't cause problems aren't a threat, then maybe we'd seen some curbing in the ways people consume alcohol. We don't punish people enough when they are stupid.
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Old 06-12-2008, 03:39 AM View Post #18 (Link)
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Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
Enforcing laws means doing the following: when people are caught drinking, which is generally when that drinking is causing problems, punish the living hell out of them. You want to go on summer vacation? Tough, you now have a required 40 hours of community service every week for the next six months. You want to visit your best friend in Utah? Tough, you no longer have flight privileges and you can't leave the state. You also can't drink until you are 25, you can't have a driver's license, and if you're caught you go to jail and you WORK while you are in jail to earn your keep.
It sounds harsh, but if your illegal drinking led you to go drive while drunk you're clearly not mature enough to have the same rights as other people. Drunk driving is dangerous for a bloody reason: it takes lives. Those punishments above are nothing compared to the loss of a life from the actions of a stupid person.
If our law were to reflect that those that abuse alcohol can't get away with it and those that stay at home and don't cause problems aren't a threat, then maybe we'd seen some curbing in the ways people consume alcohol. We don't punish people enough when they are stupid.
I completely agree... but on irresponsible drinking such as binge, driving afterwards, etc of all the things you said, but again not for people at home. My friend (I feel really bad for him by the way because this sucks) He's... ... crap, what kind of a friend am I? Well he's sixteen or seventeen... pretty sure it's 17, anyways his dad was giving him a beer and a cop knocked on the door because there was a noise complaint (Stupid neighbors) The police checked the noise and wanted to go yell at the neighbors ( ) but then they saw Eli (my friend) drinking and when they found out how old he was they fined his dad 250!!!


I thought it was stupid at first until he went to court with it and didn't have to pay since it's legal with consent from a parent... What a happy ending isn't it folks? and by the way, after that I went to their house and for putting them through all of that Eli's dad literally went out to Best Buy and bought a new Surround Sound system and played Rap music on max for the neighbors I hated the music, but I figured the reason justified it


/ Seemingly pointless story.



But yeah I agree Shaun, there needs to be more enforcement on those reckless drinkers... I mean they ruin it for everyone else!!!


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I love Red Wine with a dinner Guessed, it doesn't taste like cleaning products


and I thought Alcohol smelled God Awful too... just a year ago... I really have no idea what changed... I think they put something different anymore because know when my dad and uncle are drinking I don't mind the smell at all... Weird... I think they put some new crap in it to take away the smell One point for beer companies... now they're like in the negative hundreds



EDIT:

Ok I looked it up... apparently your taste buds change over time... It says that there is a seven year rumor (Which I knew about but never believe) that your taste buds change every seven years but that's a lie ( I was right), but that in fact over time your taste buds do change to aquire to new tastes and stuff... I didn't know that, I thought I would always hate and like the same things... I doubt I'll ever like tomatoes though, but maybe this explains the whole change of beer... I take their one point away...
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Old 06-12-2008, 04:04 AM View Post #19 (Link)
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Are you Canadian? Cause I don't think we have a parental rule here...

Generally the people who stay at home and are responsible aren't the ones to get caught anyway. You rarely ever hear about a bust of teen drinkers who were sitting at home drinking rum and playing scrabble. It's always a big frat party of some sort, with loud music, wild screaming and yelling, etc.
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Old 06-12-2008, 04:29 AM View Post #20 (Link)
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Well....I live in a rather small town where everyone started drinking at age....twelve. They party, some have sex and do drugs.

It's just normal for me... Teens everywhere are always going to drink. No matter the drinking age or enforcement.
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